On the latest special edition of KCRW's The Spin-Off, we run my NATPE chat with "Empire" executive producer Ileane Chaiken and "Masters of Sex" executive producer Michelle Ashford:
Chaiken created the Showtime drama The L Word. Now she is a writer and executive producer on the Fox mega-hit Empire. The hip hop soap opera about the Lyons family and their record label recently came roaring back with a ratings bang.
Ashford is also a television writer and executive producer. She developed the Showtime drama Masters of Sex, which returns for its fourth season later this year.
These are only their most recent projects -- both women have worked in television for more than 20 years. So when we sat down at NATPE we started...where else? At the beginning.